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: If you’re walking down the street in San Francisco it’s impossible to ignore. On any given night there are nearly 7500 homeless people in the city. And for those who can’t find shelter they’re sleeping on the streets. It’s not hard to find encampments or tents or people bundled up in sleeping bags and blankets to stay warm.

: And these are people who are suffering really horrible conditions. Often they don’t have anywhere to wash. They don’t have anywhere to use the restroom and so they’re forced to use the restroom where they can effectively. So the circumstances are very degrading and very dehumanizing and very very sad.

: For cities like San Francisco that are struggling with their homeless population, it’s an overwhelming issue to tackle. But some places have found a cheap solution. One way bus tickets out of town. On this week’s episode Alastair Gee and Julia Carrie Wong of The Guardian walk us through their 18 month nationwide investigation. Through their reporting, they created a database that revealed the extent to which cities were abandoning their homeless. For some a bus ticket provided a path out of homelessness and a support system. But for others it just made things worse. Sometimes they ended up right back in the city they left still homeless. The reporters found one city that went as far as banning people who accepted bus tickets from using homeless services like shelters if they ever returned.

: I think bussing has come to be seen as a Band-Aid as a quick fix. I think that helps to explain its prevalence, but of course it’s not addressing really the root causes of homelessness which is a rental affordability prices, people struggling with substance abuse or mental health issues.

: I’m Tessa Weinberg and you’re listening to the IRE Radio Podcast. It started as a rumor. When The Guardian opened its San Francisco Bureau in 2016, the editors thought their focus would be on technology and the Silicon Valley. But they found one of the major topics that demanded their attention was the thousands of homeless people who sleep on the city streets each night. Alastair Gee is a homelessness editor at The Guardian’s San Francisco Bureau and he’d heard rumblings that some cities bussed out there homeless.

: They couldn’t quite tell if it’s another myth if it’s kind of folklore that people say along the lines of homeless people go to various cities. They just go there for the services or whatever or not they go there for the weather, is this really true.

: 因此，他们决定进行调查，并将这个问题作为一个名为 "美国之外 "系列的焦点。

: 这些节目总是被当地的新闻所报道。但是，我们能给这个故事带来什么，而不仅仅是说你知道这正在发生？

: That’s Julia Carrie Wong, a Guardian reporter who is part of the team that worked on the project. To get a better sense of how bussing program started. Julia began by searching through clips and LexisNexis. She found that sifting through old stories helped her trace the history of homelessness in America.

: 大多数人认为，我们今天看到的长期无家可归现象是由于国家关闭精神病院和里根时期大规模削减住房和城市发展部资金的双重冲击造成的，而这两件事也帮助创造了美国许多城市今天的长期无家可归的状况。

: The idea of bussing away the homeless was sometimes controversial like during the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. The news that city officials had been sending their homeless to other parts of the South before the games created an uproar. But the first full fledged bussing program Julia and Alastair could pinpoint was in America’s largest city.

: And so the first bussing programs that we could find came about in the late 1980s. And the first one that we found was in New York and that’s actually today the biggest homeless bussing program in the nation. And then you can see it spreading around the country.

: By the time bussing programs reach San Francisco in 2005, then Mayor Gavin Newsom has started to sanitize the programs working to remove the stigma surrounding them. He reframed the conversation from one of relocation to that of reunification and name the program Homeward Bound. Newsom’s idea caught on. Today bussing programs are everywhere from Fort Lauderdale to Salt Lake City and they are especially popular on the West Coast. City officials say bussing is a way to get homeless people back on their feet and it’s cost effective too. Instead of paying for a bed in a homeless shelter for months on end cities can shell out a couple hundred dollars for a one-time bus ticket. In some cases relocation programs are privately funded. But in many of the largest cities, they’re paid for out of the city budget. Homeless people who hear about the program can apply for a ticket although they can get turned down for a handful of reasons such as having an outstanding arrest warrant. But despite the existence of bussing programs, homelessness has continued to be an issue. A federal study found that in 2017 America’s homeless population rose for the first time since the Great Recession. While searching through clips helped Alastair and Julia get a better sense of the history of these programs, it wasn’t an exhaustive search.

: 它给了我们很多线索，但我们也需要更有方法。因此，在那之后，我们只是通过全国25个最大的美国城市的名单，我们只是与所有这些城市的官员联系，了解他们是否有项目。

: 一旦他们有了一个简短的有公交车项目的城市名单，他们就发出了记录请求。他们设想了他们的理想数据会是什么样子。

: We knew that what we wanted was individual journey level data. We wanted to know how many journeys someone took on. I don’t know. March 23, 2005 for instance. And we wanted to be able to say it was a man or a woman who went from this city to this city and maybe this was how much the city cost, and this was the outcome of that journey.

: 但他们也想知道一些细节，比如乘客到达目的地后，城市是否进行了任何后续的呼叫。谁在新的城市等着迎接他们？总的来说，他们要求的东西很多，因为他们知道，根据城市的不同，他们可能不会得到所有的东西。但如何处理他们收到的数据是一个挑战。各个城市在收集有关公交车项目的数据以及如何保存这些数据方面各不相同。

: 每个人都有不同的汇编形式。不是每个人都把它放在电子表格里给我们。因此，我们花了很多时间将PDF文件转换为一些东西，然后试图清理这些数据。

: For instance, in the case of San Francisco there were just a bunch of empty fields where they should have marked down, here’s where we did follow-up with this client to ensure that once we’ve given them a bus ticket out of the city that they were housed at the other end. There were just blank spaces for several thousand people that were taking tickets from the years 2010 to 2015.

: 阿拉斯泰尔和一个记者团队必须弄清楚，旧金山是否对他们隐瞒了信息，还是该市根本没有这些数据？

: And both cases are interesting right? And so eventually what the city of San Francisco said to us was, “As you’ve seen, our data keeping hasn’t always been very good”. So that was fascinating. The very justification for having a bus program is that it works to rehouse people at the end that it creates stability to people. But for this whole five year period, they had zero data to testify to that at all. So that was very interesting.

: All of this pointed to shortcomings in the system. When San Francisco reports how many people have exited homelessness, it includes a number of people who received one way bus tickets. The Guardian found that from 2013 to 2016 nearly half of the 7,000 homeless people the city said it helped lift out of homelessness had been relocated with bus tickets. And yet the city often lack data to show if the tickets had actually helped. From 2010 to 2015, the city’s record showed only three people had been contacted for follow up calls after they left.

: That became one of the main focal points of the story. Because if you’re going around saying that just sending someone home to a relative is the right solution to homelessness, well not only does that face headwinds when you consider the fact that many people are homeless because of where they came from or because of family conflicts. It’s also difficult if you’re saying that without having good long-term data to back those statements up.

: 他们发现，跟踪时间最长的是圣莫尼卡，在旅行者被送出后6个月对他们进行了检查；6个月后只有60%的人仍然住在这里。

: And that was the absolute longest. Many cities didn’t do any follow-up at all.

: It became the reporter’s goal to essentially do the city’s jobs for them and find out what impact bussing programs were having on the homeless people who use them. While San Francisco lacked data , one city, Sarasota, Florida, gave them a trove of it. They supplied The Guardian with dozens of PBS, photocopies of handwritten forms that hopeful travelers had filled out at the local Salvation Army.

: 所以在这种情况下，只是破译笔迹和处理感觉像是第三代的复印件。

: 但是，尽管花了额外的时间来检查这些表格，但他们能够收集到的额外信息是值得的。萨拉索塔的独特之处在于，它要求无家可归者提供他们计划在目的地见面的人的名字，他们与该人的关系，以及他们的地址和电话号码。

: 因此，那是唯一一个我们能够获得更多关于一个人的目的地而不仅仅是他们要去的城市的城市。

: While most people went to stay with family, there were a few instances where that wasn’t the case.

: I think that there were two people that were being sent to a bail bondsman. So that’s obviously not anything to do with family reunification. That’s just getting back in time to meet a court date. And other cases where it was like a former employer.

: 有了谁接受了门票以及他们要去哪里的记录，他们开始利用他们所掌握的姓名和号码进行联系。

: Out of these 35,000 data points, there were about a thousand names that cities for whatever reason haven’t redacted from the data. And so we just run all of those names through Nexis looking for phone numbers and contacts. We’d searched for these people on social media. And we tried to reach out to people that way.

: They didn’t have a ton of luck making phone calls.

: But by their very nature a person who’s experiencing homelessness is going to be hard to track down.

: 电话号码已经不能用了。最后知道的地址可能是十年前的。

: Reports on homelessness that’s just a constant issue that you face that you meet people on the street. And even if they happen to have a phone with them at that time maybe they’re not able to charge it. Really frequently these phones get stolen all the time and that’s that. So it’s often hard to stay in touch with homeless people unless you know where they live or you can try and find them through friends of friends.

: 但朱莉娅发现，他们在接触接受方的家庭成员时取得了更好的成功。而对她来说，与这些亲属的交谈改变了她的想法。

: I spoke to some family members who said, “Yes, that’s my family member. And no I never agreed that you could come back here.” For a variety of reasons people just said, “You know he burned that bridge three years ago and and I wouldn’t agree to have them back”.

: Others weren’t surprised to hear from Julia.

: At least with some of the folks it was like, “Oh you’re calling about Jaylen. Somebody is always calling about Jaylen.” You kind of got the sense that this was a person who was close to somebody who was potentially often in and out of situations where their next of kin would need to be contacted. I was surprised with people’s candor, but also really appreciative of people’s candor. Folks were talking about a very difficult situation that I’ve never been in myself which is to have this sense of responsibility towards another adult who really needs a lot of support, and yet they’re not necessarily equipped or have the resources to provide that support but still feel that sense of obligation.

: 所有这些都涉及到一个核心问题。谁应该负责帮助无家可归的人？公交车将负担从城市转移到了个人身上。

: If you give somebody a bus ticket and ship them to their elderly parent or their retired sister it privatizes the responsibility and it puts it onto an individual family. It makes it easier and cheaper. But the burden is then placed in a very specific place and those folks aren’t always really equipped to handle it.

: The data led them to a couple dozen homeless people who had accepted tickets and their families. But the reporters also wanted to experience firsthand what it was like to take a bus out of homelessness. The initial reporting for the project had started in early 2016. By this point it was already the summer of 2017 over a year later. It was always in the back of Alastair’s mind that it would be challenging to find someone to ride along with, but it was proving increasingly difficult as the reporters struggled to meet someone before they accepted a bus ticket. Cities hadn’t always been helpful in facilitating those interactions.

: So cities weren’t so open to introducing us to some of their clients. We tried various cities. And it just became very hard because it became apparent that the city was really trying to manage the process by which we would meet that person and they clearly want to make sure it was a successful case.

: When officials didn’t seem eager to help they decided to take matters into their own hands. August rolled around, and Alastair and another reporter had started spending their days outside of the San Francisco office that distributed bus tickets. They made it a routine to spend a few hours there every couple of days in hopes of meeting someone who had just accepted a ride.

: And so, we ended up just like finding a place in this office that was kind of out of line of vision, line of sight of the staff members. But just so we could keep an eye on basically who is going and who is coming out. Once they got out we just like ran out. And I’ve run up to them and say, “Hi. I am a reporter with The Guardian doing this thing about bus tickets. I guess you were just on that counter. So what’s going on? Are you hoping to get a ticket? I’d be interested to hear more about it. Can I take you for a coffee?” All that kind of thing.

: It took patience and persistence. Once Alastair set up a time to meet a homeless woman for coffee the next day. She never showed. But the effort to establish those connections was worth it. When it comes to on-the-ground reporting concerning issues of homelessness one of the most important things you can do is simply meet people where they are, sit down and listen Julia said. You’ll learn things that you wouldn’t from policymakers or nonprofits.

: One of the really kind of striking things especially about folks who are living on the streets is just how ignored they are all day by people on the sidewalks. People don’t like to make eye contact. They don’t like to look and see that kind of poverty. It makes housed people uncomfortable. But if you go and talk to people I mean my general experience is that you know a lot of folks are very willing and eager just to have a conversation and to talk and to have somebody you know treat them like a human being for once. I think that so much reporting on homelessness kind of ignores homeless people and their agency and their voices.

: That’s how Alastair met Quinn Raber. Quinn was in his late 20’s and had been homeless for about three years. He’d struggled to find a stable living situation and keep a job.

: 当我在旧金山第一次见到他从售票处出来时，他看起来真的是身体疲惫，精神不振。他脸色发红，有晒伤的胡茬。他看起来身体很累。他真的被捆绑起来了。

: Here’s Quinn describing to The Guardian what it was like to be homeless.

: The roughest part about being homeless is the wear and tear from the concrete and the constant walking. And it’s hard to use the restroom, because a lot of businesses don’t want homeless people in their restrooms and messing them up. It really breaks you down.

: When Alastair approached Quinn outside of the office, he was in a hurry. His bus was set to leave in just a few hours and he didn’t have time to talk. But he agreed to meet Alastair at the Greyhound station later that day, Alastair stood with Quinn in line as he was about to board the bus and quickly got down his name, the gist of his story and his contact info. And then Quinn was off. He would travel 2,275 miles over three days to his hometown of Indianapolis where he planned to stay with a friend and get a job.

: I couldn’t get on the bus with him because it was just way too short notice. But I stayed in touch with him. I spoke to him when he was back in Indianapolis, it wasn’t going so well there. And then a couple weeks after that I spoke to him again on the phone. And I said,” Where are you?” He said, “I’m on a Greyhound Bus.” And he said. “I’m coming back to San Francisco from Indianapolis.”

: It hadn’t worked out in Indianapolis. The friend Quinn was staying with had to enter into rehab, he told Alastair. And now he was homeless once again. So Alastair quickly coordinated with Quinn and planned to meet him in a town south of the Bay Area, so they could finally get the ride along they were hoping for and see a part of Quinn’s journey.

: And so we went to this kind of podunk town in the middle of nowhere loitering around, again, waiting for this bus at 9-10 PM at night. So we jumped on. And we met Quinn on the bus. And we went back to him as he completed his return journey to San Francisco. And so this is a guy, mind you, that presumably now is on San Francisco’s list of people who have officially been rehoused or rescued from homelessness. They gave him a ticket and said that’s how they account for people getting tickets. But as we found accompanying him back to San Francisco. He was then homeless pretty much in the very, very same place that he had been before he even gotten the ticket in the first place.

: Quinn was back in San Francisco. He paid for the return ticket out of his own pocket. He’s still without a permanent home. But ultimately the trip to Indianapolis had seemed to have a positive impact.

: Even though it hadn’t worked out and that was sad, nevertheless he seems like he was in a better place that he was more setup for the rigors of dealing with homelessness in San Francisco. And I think he came back to San Francisco because earlier he told me. It was just the cities that he loved. He just felt he knew people here. He have had a setup here before he’d left even if he was homeless. He had someone he could stay with off and on. And so he come back under his own steam believing that, that was the better place to be for him than Indianapolis.

: Not everyone who accepted a bus ticket ended up in Quinn’s situation. For some the bus program worked as intended leading them back to a support system that got them on track. Take Tiffany who is 22 and living in Fort Lauderdale. She’d grappled with alcoholism to the point where she would have to drink a can of beer as soon as she woke up to stave off the nausea.

: 她就像在这个可怕的可怕的漩涡中。她被送进了医院。她有慢性胰腺炎。她有早期的肝硬化。因此她的情况非常糟糕。在她20岁出头的时候，她就接近死亡了。

: Her doctor recommended that she take a bus ticket to stay with her mom who lived on the other side of the state. Tiffany did and she credits that bus ride with saving her life. With her mom’s help, she told The Guardian she’s on the road to recovery. But for others stepping on a bus just left them homeless in a new city and often without access to key services.

: In the city of Key West, it takes all a step further. They have homeless people sign a document when they get ticket saying that if you come back to Key West because we were so generous to give you a ticket you agreed that you won’t use homeless services on Key West when you come back.

: A provide a source who worked at the shelter in Key West leaked The Guardian a copy of the document. The Guardian found that some homeless people didn’t fully understand the terms of their ticket. Here’s Willie Romines a homeless man who said he was never informed about the restrictions.

: It’s like close the door and get out of here. We bought you a bus ticket. You can’t come back and that put a burden on me. I felt like I was swindled.

: But shelter organizers told The Guardian that barring homeless people from returning to Key West is the easiest way to get locals to support the bussing program. That I figured was the easiest sell when organizer said to The Guardian, “Give us money and we’ll ship our homeless problem to somebody else”. With The Guardian’s investigation primarily focused on the over 20,000 homeless people who’ve been bussed across America. They also reported on a relocation program unique to New York. Almost half of the 34,000 journeys The Guardian analyzed originated in New York. That’s about 17,000 relocations. And about 20 percent of those people were flown, not bussed, to their new destination. Some even cross borders to places like Puerto Rico, Honduras, and Canada. Within the US, Orlando Florida and Atlanta were the most popular destinations.

: 就我们所知，它是唯一一个定期让人飞往世界各地的城市。我们发现的最远的案例是有人飞往新西兰。我们发现有人飞到了印度和其他遥远的地方。

: One family, the Ortiz family, ended up in New York after living with a relative in Delaware didn’t work out. When Jose Ortiz reached out to New York’s Homelessness Department for assistance they told him he was ineligible for services because they had housing options in Puerto Rico. The city wouldn’t give them housing assistance, but it could offer the family for one thing a plane ride back to Puerto Rico.

: And it was a difficult case because the city of New York would say like if somebody is newly arrived and we can divert them back to someplace that they have housing that’s all for the best.

: And so, Jose really didn’t want to leave. He thought that he was given no choice that you’re basically saying you either go or you’re on the street in New York. And so, he felt like he was between a rock and a hard place.

: The Ortiz family took the ticket in order to stay off the streets. A few months later in September Hurricane Maria devastated the island. By the time The Guardians investigation was published in December the reporters still hadn’t heard from the family. It wasn’t until recently that the Ortiz family replied to a reporter’s Facebook message letting them know they’re okay. After nearly 18 months of coordination between a team of reporters editors filmmakers data experts and freelancers the project was finally ready to be published. With records from 16 cities and counties, The Guardian team had created a national database that analyzed more than 34,000 journeys.

: A lot of the response that we saw was exactly what we were hoping for, which was folks saying, “Oh I kind of heard about this. I had no idea that it was so big. I had no idea that this was going on so widely”. And folks kind of take in the conversation to the next step which is the step most homelessness stories end up with which is how is this happening? How is this the richest nation in the world and this is what’s happening?

: 他们听到了像联合国适足住房权问题特别报告员这样的倡导者的声音，他对这些发现感到震惊。他们听到了一些读者的声音，他们感到必须采取行动，并想知道他们能做些什么来帮助他们。他们还听到了他们故事中的一些人告诉记者，他们觉得他们的故事终于被听到了。

: 他们认为这个故事就是他们的故事。在大多数情况下，当我们听到人们的反馈时。人们只是再次感谢我们分享了他们的故事。

: Thanks for listening. Take a look at our episode notes for links to The Guardian’s reporting and resources for covering homelessness. You can subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, Stitcher or Google Play or wherever else you get your podcast. And you can spend hours listening to the stories behind some of the best investigative reporting in the country at IRE.org/podcast. The IRE Radio Podcast is recorded in the studios of KBIA. Blake Nelson draws our art for each episode. Sarah Hutchins is our editor. From Columbia Missouri, I am Tessa Weinberg.

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