完整的文字记录。起来，消失 - S1 E2 - 白兔

完整的文字记录。起来，消失 - S1 E2 - 白兔

: When I would talk to people, they will say, “They’re never gonna find her because she’s in some swamp or she’s in some well.” And those people were right because 10 years now and I mean, you always have hope that she’ll be found and at this point, I’m really doubtful she ever will be found. I mean because this is basically swampland.

: I can tell you, if you wanna solve this, that would be your ideal ending I’m sure. Unless this gets shook up and it’s approached in a different way, it’s not gonna, nothing’s ever gonna happen and that’s probably gonna be really hard to do.

: 十年前的今天是最后一次有人报告看到塔拉-格林斯泰德或与之交谈。

: Officially, police are calling this a missing person’s case.

: GBI官员表示，调查人员...

: 发现乳胶手套在...

: 正在提供$80,000美元的奖励。

: 塔拉-格林斯德在哪里？

: From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, you are listening to Up and Vanished, the investigation of Tara Grinstead. I’m your host, Payne Lindsey.

: 第一段中说话的人是Dusty Vassey，他是当地报纸《奥西拉之星》的首席记者。他向我伸出援手，提供了帮助。

: We’re in.

: He took me to an old office in downtown Ocilla. The door had no markings or signage and we entered a huge dim lit room. There were buckets on the ground full of water, catching the leaks from the ceiling. You could tell it was a place that didn’t have very many guests. On the back wall was a shell full of hardbound newspaper archives. He was looking for 2005.

: 我们把它们保存在这些装订成册的书中。

: You’re still on the paper system?

: 是的，2005年，读到这里。红薯节失踪。周三。

: 塔拉是在10月24日星期一上午8点50分被报告失踪的，到那个星期三，她已经上了报纸。

: You could tell that people really were worried, people that worked with her and stuff. Like, there’s a teacher that I knew that, I mean you could tell she was very concerned that this, it was more than just concern. It was like …

: 是的。

: At that point, they realized something bad’s happened, you know, and just she’s gone off or whatever.

: 达斯蒂到他的办公桌前呆了一会儿，让我独自面对档案。当我翻阅时，我注意到两页之间夹着一张小纸片。它看起来像一个临时的书签。

: When I pulled it out, I realized it was actually a piece of Tara’s missing poster that had been cut into fours and the print date on the bottom was October 24th, the day she was reported missing. All the sudden I felt like I was in a movie scene and I had found some big clue. I was almost positive it was nothing but I called Dusty over anyways. What is that?

: That says Tara’s name on it. Probably nothing nefarious.

: 没有。

: It’s chopped up.

: 对。

: 是的。

: 可能没有什么邪恶的东西。但后来我们发现了一大堆，好像还有很多。

: Oh my goodness, there’s all sorts of those.

: It’s kind of weird, right?

: It is. It is. I’m a little, I mean cause I’ve looked through this before that … I mean they probably were here and I didn’t pay any attention to it. The hairs on the back of your neck … what’s going on?

: 有哪些人可以做到这一点？

: My predecessor who … Kristy who used to … was the reporter. She’s the Kristy Pruitt, something …

: 好的，是的，是的，是的。

: 关于所有这些故事。

: He called Kristy and it wasn’t her.

: 我的老板。

: I mean it was probably nothing but still who would expect to find chopped up pieces of Tara’s missing poster scattered throughout the 2005 archive. Kind of weird, right? We both agreed. Before I left, Dusty said he has a surprise for me.

: Oh, front page. There’s me. The podcast had made the front page of the latest paper. It’s kind of weird actually seeing my name and Tara Grinstead’s name on the front page of the Ocilla Star.

: 在这一点上，我可以理解为什么。

: Yeah, like I’m part of the narrative now or something.

: 消息传开了，人们终于开始谈论。

: 一个关于奥西拉教师失踪的调查性播客将于周一首播，名为《Up and Vanished》。该故事详细介绍了亚特兰大电影制片人佩恩-林赛在拍摄关于塔拉-格林斯泰德的纪录片时的发现。在林赛拍摄纪录片的过程中，该播客将每隔一周发布一次。他说...

: Let’s pick up from the last episode. So my grandma’s friend Melba told her that Tara went to her former student’s house in Fitzgerald before going back to the barbecue that night in Ocilla. If this is true, it’s a major discrepancy in Tara’s timeline. Is there another person that we’ve just never known about? I wrote some questions down and I gave Melba a call.

: 我奶奶说，你那周六在选美比赛中看到了塔拉，对吗？

: I did. For several years, I emceed all the beauty pageants and I don’t do that anymore. But I was directing the pageant, the afternoon that she disappeared that night but she always helped. She taught school and she always helped the girls in the pageants with their make up, their hair and choosing gowns and that sort of thing.

: And as I was leaving, she and all the girls were there at the back as I was leaving. It was about 6 o’çlock in the afternoon because I had a dinner date and I was leaving. And I stopped and spoke with them just a few minutes, just, you know, “How are you?” and that sort of thing. So I was really, really surprised when I heard the news on Monday that she was missing.

: 你们都谈了些什么？当你和她谈话时，你们说了什么？

: Just pass, you know, “How are you today? It’s good to see you.” And I didn’t stay there more than five minutes I guess because I was on my way. And I certainly would have stayed long and talked more if I had known what was going to happen but nobody knew that, you know.

: 选美比赛结束后，她去了哪里？

: One of the students that she had taught in times past now lives in Fitzgerald. And my understand is she went to his house for just a short while just to visit and then left there and came to one of the principal’s houses which is a couple of blocks from me for a cookout they were doing.

: And I understand she left there probably around 10:30, 11 o’clock that night. And it was evident that she got home. Her car was there and I believe she had taken off some of her clothing and so forth.

: So from all the stuff that I’ve read and from people I talked to, I had never heard that she went to a student’s house in between the pageant and the barbecue.

: I’ve heard that in the talk around town that she went to the friend’s house for just a short time.

: 有什么办法可以找出那个学生是谁吗？

: I’m trying to think what his name was, one she had taught. Good gracious. That’s been 10 years or more ago and I really don’t recall who it was. In the meantime, I’ll try to arrive at who she visited in Fitzgerald but right offhand, I don’t recall.

: 好的，如果你想到了，请告诉我。

: His name will probably come to me but right offhand, I don’t remember. But like I say, Payne, I hope you can can get some new information or come up with something cause I know her parents and I know how devastated they were and how devastated they still are.

: We have no idea what happened to her. It’s just one of the strangest things. You know, we always hear there’s no perfect crime but evidently, this one is perfect so far because there’s no indication of who it could be.

: I wasn’t really sure what to make of that. Melba seemed to think that Tara’s visit to a student’s house was just common knowledge but I couldn’t find it anywhere. She said she heard it in the talk around town. Not the most reliable sounding source. Really, other than Melba just saying she heard this happened, I don’t really have anything at all. It was time for a second opinion.

: Well, when I first heard it, I just couldn’t find any basis for the information at all. I guess you would call it chasing one of those white rabbits.

: 所以你知道那是一个我即将非常熟悉的术语。

: Well, white rabbit is leads or information that in a criminal investigation that leads you down rabbit hole to nowhere. And I mean I’m not saying it was true and it still may be true but we just don’t have any information to take that any further than it is right now.

: 对。

: So really you just have to set it aside and let it go because otherwise it’d just be a waste of time. Until you can get further information to say it’s legitimate, you just have to refute it. But it would be very useful if it was true and we would have to know the name of the individual.

: So pretty much without that name, I had nothing. Maurice also brought up another good point. If you remember Tara did make one more stop before the barbecue that was confirmed. She met her landlord’s son, Rhett Roberts at the curb of the road only for about 15 minutes before heading over to the barbecue. Was Melba confusing this with some student in Fitzgerald?

: It’s very possible that she’s talking about Rhett Roberts but he’s not a former student.

: Okay. So Rhett was not a former student of Tara’s?

: 不，他们的年龄差不多。

: And she got to Rhett’s around what time?

: 我想说大约20分钟到8点，25分钟到8点。

: So you’re saying that the time gap is pretty small for that to happen?

: 是的，事实上，整个案件的时间线是非常狭窄的。

: What’s the earliest Tara could have left the pageant you think?

: 我想说7点15分。

: So does Tara stopping at a student’s house for a minute sound farfetched for the timeline or is it still possible?

: Well in an unknown case, unsolved case as this, with the twists and turns in it? It’s possible. Is it probable? No.

: 所以我真的又回到了原点。在我得到那个名字之前，真的没有办法进一步证实这事真的发生过。即使我能证明这是真的，它能让我找到发生在塔拉身上的事情吗？几天来，白兔这个词一直在我脑海中回荡。就像时钟一样，白兔落在了我的腿上。

: I have been … it’s really … it’s regarding the revelations were made. I’m not gonna throw God at you, you know, shove God down your throat but there is a lot that’s been going on. Her remains is within the park here in Ocilla, Cumbee Park. I have absolutely no doubt. It’s called Cumbee Park.

: The park was never searched 10 years ago. It was in such an obvious place. Everybody overlooked it. Nobody even thought nothing about it, not even I. I was shocked. I took all the information, like I said, to GBI. It all come about with me March of last year. I’m boldly, bravely, 100 percent. Like I said, God gave me a job to do and I’m going to do it. None of them gonna back me down, sit me down or shut me up.

: I knew the investigator’s first impression was that the whole student thing was probably a white rabbit. And as much as I believed them, the rookie investigative mind of mine just couldn’t let it go. Besides the fact that we didn’t have a name for this guy, he also said the timeline was really narrow for Tara to have gone anywhere else that night.

: 但在我完全排除它之前，我必须亲自测试一下。我决定为塔拉那晚最可能走的路线计时。不管怎么说，我想这都是有用的信息。我从塔拉离开庆典的菲茨杰拉德的剧院开始。我离开剧院，开始向奥西拉行驶。

: 开始前往奥西拉的路线。

: My first stop was Rhett Roberts house which I found out was only a couple blocks from the barbecue. I actually had to drive past the house where the barbecue was held to get to Rhett’s house.

: 目的地就在你的右边。

: So Tara didn’t just see Rhett at the curb of the road. It’s likely that they had planned to meet there. It took 13 minutes and 7 seconds to get to Rhett’s house from the theater, 1 minute and 22 seconds to get back to the barbecue.

: All of this stuff was just a lot closer than I thought it was. So if Tara left the pageant at 7:15, drove straight to Rhett’s house, stayed for 15 minutes then went to the barbecue, she would have easily arrived before 7:45.

: Assuming that all accounts of her time are true, she would have at least 15 minutes to spare. Was it enough time for Tara to go somewhere else real quick? I think so. Was it likely? I don’t know.

: 我决定暂时让整个学生理论休息一下。在这个案件中，还有一些其他突出的人物，我真的需要关注。

: It’s now been two weeks since a former beauty queen disappeared in Georgia. Thirty-year-old high school teacher Tara Grinstead was last seen at a dinner party with friends. Anita Gattis joins this morning. She’s Tara’s sister. Good morning.

: 早上好，汉娜。

: Anita, I’m sure this is just a terrible time for you and your family. Can you fill us in a bit on this story? Maybe our viewers will be able to help you out. The last time your sister was seen was about 11 p.m. on October 24th. What did police find when they went to her home?

: Well, they didn’t find a lot. The house was locked. Her cell phone was back in the charger. She always takes her cell phone with her everywhere she goes. Her purse and her keys were missing. The car was home but it was unlocked which is very unusual. Tara always kept her car locked.

: 她有没有可能根据自己的自由意志与她认识的人一起离开？

: I think that’s how it started out and then something went very wrong after that. I don’t know if it started out to be an abduction and she was just lured out of her home or she went with somebody and then something happened. I’m just not sure but I really do feel like it is an abduction at this point.

: Authorities are really frustrated because they say they haven’t come close yet to calling anyone a suspect but they have questioned a couple of key people, one of them being a former boyfriend of your sister. What can you tell us about him.

: They broke up approximately nine months ago. He has been questioned many times at length. He has obtained an attorney. They had had a very bad argument. I’ve just found out several days before she went missing concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating.

: 而我妹妹认为她的父母不会同意一个30岁的人和一个18岁的人约会。有人告诉我，她威胁要告诉父母，他们为此发生了非常激烈的争吵。

: Shortly after Tara went missing, the first major person of interest in this case was her ex-boyfriend, Marcus Harper. To get you up to speed on Marcus, I’ll have my friend Rob detail his background.

: Marcus Harper was Tara’s long term boyfriend of five years. They met in 1999 through a mutual friend named John David Anderson. Around that time, Marcus was an officer at the Ocilla Police Department.

: Marcus joined the Army after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. He went on to become an Army Ranger and served in Iraq. In September of 2005, Marcus was still serving overseas but in October he returned home to Ocilla for three weeks. Marcus and Tara’s relationship had become pretty rocky at that point.

: And when Marcus arrived back home, he didn’t tell Tara he was there. It was during those three weeks back at home in Ocilla that Tara disappeared. Marcus told Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren that Tara had ended their relationship well before she went missing. He said he felt a little rejected at first but that we continued to be friends.

: Harper and the televised interview with Fox described his relationship with Tara as a commitment. “We did not date other people”, he said. “But I was honest with her when I said I had no intentions of marriage.” After they broke up, Marcus said in the interview, that she was very irrational and she told me that if she found out I was dating someone, she would commit suicide.

: 乔治亚州亚特兰大市，1979年。

: 你害怕吗？

: 是的，先生。

: 一个接一个的孩子在没有解释的情况下失踪。

: 一名15岁的黑人男子住在其他三名儿童失踪的同一地区。

: 有一个现实生活中的怪物在逃，亚特兰大市要求得到答案。

: 在一个城市，孩子们被杀，不幸的是没有人关心。

: By 1981, the FBI was involved in one of the largest manhunts in U.S. history and eventually they put one man behind bars. But nearly 40 years later, this case has left more questions than answers in what may be the Atlanta’s darkest secret.

: I don’t know today whether he’s innocent or guilty.

: 来自于《向上和消失》和《HowStuffWorks》的制作人，我们推出了一个全新的播客--《亚特兰大怪物》。现在就在苹果播客上订阅《亚特兰大怪物》，并在1月5日成为第一个听到它的人。

: Right away, Marcus didn’t look very good but despite everyone’s suspicions, he was very open and cooperative with the investigation. He also did several nationally televised interviews. The biggest thing to me was the timing. He was gone overseas for several months. Then when he comes home to Ocilla for three weeks, Tara coincidentally disappears.

: 然而，马库斯确实有不在场证明。它检查得非常完美无缺。但在我们讨论这个问题之前，还有一个人真正引起了调查人员的兴趣。

: 同时被询问的还有一名男子，他显然跟踪了你的妹妹，并在一年前被捕。是这样吗？

: 嗯，实际上我认为这更像是四到六个月前。她在他读九年级的时候教过他。他刚毕业不久。我想也许在她和男友分手后，他看到了一个机会之窗，尽管塔拉永远不会和以前的学生约会。他因试图闯入她家而被捕，当时她正在家里。

: A former student that was stalking her, then arrested for trying to break in her house. Red flags were everywhere. This person’s name is Anthony Vickers. He was the second person police were highly interested in. The whole student thing had me from the get go and I started researching as much as I could. To fill you in on his background, here’s Rob again.

: Anthony Vickers was a former student of Tara’s who was engaged in some sort of relationship with her in the months prior to her disappearance. Shortly after Tara disappeared, Anthony was featured briefly on the Nancy Grace and discussed their relationship over the phone. This was the only interview Anthony has ever done.

: He said, “Very few people knew about our relationship. There’s probably only three or four people that actually knew and we knew that they would not talk at all. When we would see each other. I would usually go over to her house would be the easiest thing to do. She would pick me up and we would go over there and just hang out, you know, watch a movie or something. That’s kind of how we did it. I would like to help but, you know, if you try to help a lot of times you just get scrutinized against.

: On March 30th, 2005, about six months before Tara went missing, Ocilla police officers were dispatched to Tara’s house for a disturbance call. They received a report that someone was trying to break down the owner’s door. The individual was Anthony Vickers.

: Based on the incident report, Anthony was very agitated. He started cussing and shouting at some of the neighbors who were watching. Vickers yelled so loud that the neighbor outside doing yard work about two blocks from Tara’s house could hear him shouting. The officers asked Anthony to keep quiet but he refused to cooperate. He was then handcuffed and arrested and taken to the Irwin County Detention Center.

: I made an open records request with the Ocilla police department to obtain a copy of Anthony’s arrest report. With all the rumors flying around this town, I had to verify this incident myself. Chief Billy Hancock with the Ocilla PD was very helpful in getting this information.

: In the report, Tara had made a handwritten statement to police. Some of which said this, Anthony’s behavior was abnormal. He was very aggressive on this day. I was very scared for my well-being, as well as scared about Anthony. Anthony invaded my privacy in my home while doing so in a raging and out of control manner.

: Anthony’s written statement seemed to tell a different story. He claimed that he was actually getting in his car to leave when the police arrived and they screamed at him to step away from his vehicle. He also stated that an officer ran towards him and just bumped him, almost knocking him over and that he never once tried to resist arrest.

: According to Tara’s friends and family, Anthony’s relationship with her was some sort of delusion or fantasy but I wondered if maybe there was some truth to it. I’ve reached out several times to Anthony for an interview but no luck. And the same for Marcus Harper, Tara’s ex-boyfriend. These two are very tight lipped about this case and honestly I could totally see why.

: 在此期间，我得以联系到某人。他的名字是诺亚-格里芬。他认识塔拉好几年了，在所有的选美比赛中与她合作非常密切。我只是感谢与她关系密切的人愿意与我交谈。

: Well, to sum it up, Tara was driven. She was very determined to succeed at whatever she’s set out to do. I knew for a fact that she would never leave. Everybody’s just, “Oh, she’s gone. She’s just run out. Da, da, da, da.” And I said no, she wouldn’t do that. I want to say … and I’m not good with time …

: 对。

: But I want to say like six months had passed before I was ever questioned by the GBI. I told the GBI and I said, “You know, I could have went to her house at 2 o’clock in the morning and knocked on her door and she’d have opened the door for me.”.

: 是的。

: You know, and why was I not a suspect from the get go? When the GBI talked to me, they wanted to know if anybody had videotaped that pageant that night. Somebody at the party that night that she went to, that cookout, said when she left that she was going home to watch the video of the pageant. And I still to this day don’t know if there was a video or if that, you know. And it’s just like one night it just hit me that a distant cousin of mine’s stepdaughter was in the pageant and he was to the left of us up against the wall with a video camera.

: 这可能是塔拉所说的选美录像吗？如果是的话，它对我们有什么帮助吗？不管怎么说，如果他还保留着，我想要一份拷贝。

: This is the sad thing, there has been so much small town gossip and lies told that the truth will never be known. I’m just … I’ve just been constantly racking my brain. There’s not a day goes by that she doesn’t run across my mind and I don’t try to relive that day and that time and what could have happened to her. You know, there was a side of Tara that I didn’t know.

: 是的。

: Was very we’ll hidden if it was in fact true. I try not to believe that it was. You know, I know how people talk and how they gossip. I’ve heard people say they’ve seen this and they’ve seen that. Well, I didn’t see it. So if I didn’t see it, I don’t know it. You know what I’m saying?

: 你说的是哪一边？

: 对男人非常自由，其中一个是学生，维克斯，安东尼-维克斯。有一次我听到他的母亲在人群中随口说，有一天晚上她发现她从他卧室的窗户爬出去。

: 你好。

: 嘿，安东尼在吗？

: 是的，这就是他。

: Thank you guys for listening to episode 2 of Up and Vanished. The response from episode 1 was really awesome. I just want to thank everybody out there who’s listening. As for my grandma’s cowboy cookie contest, I’ll be announcing the winner of that on my website, upandvanish.com. Just go to the site and click on the page called discussions on the top right.

: And please if you haven’t already, rate this podcast on iTunes and leave a review. It really helps a lot. And I would like to ask again that anybody who knows anything at all about Tara’s disappearance to please come forward. Thank you and see you next time.

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