lori interview 1 aug 11.20 - 2020-09-11, 3.07 PM.mp3
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Welcome to Grieve with Ease, a podcast where we talk about the many signs of loss and death on each episode, you'll hear from a cross-section of men and women who share how they dealt with loss, found comfort and even humor during what many consider a very dark time. The show is designed to bring comfort, to answer questions and let you know you are not alone. Now, here's your host, Martika Whylly.
Martika Whylly:
Lori Latimer started on her personal discovery path in 2008, and it quickly turned into a spiritual discovery path after the sudden death of her mom. In 2014, she began studying the afterlife, but none of it prepared her for the unexpected death of her youngest son, Greg, at the age of 29 in January 2019. She credits the lifestyle she was living and what she was teaching others with helping her navigate the first year of her grief journey with grace and compassion. She now works with other grieving mothers to help them continue living their lives while honoring their late child's life and legacy. She also helps people clear karmic blocks and restrictions so they could stop repeating patterns that don't serve them. Lori is the host of the podcast Grieve with Grace for Grieving Moms. Welcome, Lori.
Martika Whylly:
Now, with when it comes to when somebody is grieving, when you say that, you get, I guess you could say may be stuck in grieving. How does one know ones stuck in grieving, because we all have to grieve. You know, we all go through those stages.
Lori Latimer:
One of the things that I found is when people stop engaging in the activities that they used to enjoy, they don't participate in life. They stay home. You know, the lower level emotions of grief like sadness and depression and anger and all those lower level emotions can weigh us down so much that it becomes an effort to to get out of bed, to brush our teeth, to take a shower and get dressed, to do our normal daily activities, forget going to work or going out to a restaurant when you can go out to a restaurant when you're not in a pandemic situation. It becomes easier to just stay home and stay in bed and for a period of time or on certain days, there's nothing wrong with that. It's when that becomes your habitual state that you're stuck in it. That's what I found.
Martika Whylly:
Right.And how would one identify that's the state that they're in and how would they try to get out of?
Lori Latimer:
It's really about know there has to be a level of self-awareness or someone that they love has to tell them, look, you have got to, you know, I love you and I don't want to see you stay in this dark place again. There's no judgment in wherever someone is at any given time. But when someone stops participating in life.
Lori Latimer:
That's when it becomes problematic and. Sometimes they need to go to a therapist and be put on an antidepressant. There's no shame in that.
Lori Latimer:
Because there's such a level of depression that comes with grief, especially in, you know, there are different types of grief. There's grief from, you know, the grief of losing a job is different from the grief of losing a marriage. The grief of losing a marriage is different from the grief of losing a parent. The grief of losing a parent is much different from the grief of losing a child. And so there are different types of grief. And you have to. Move your way through each one in a way that honors you and the person you lost.
Martika Whylly:
Right now, I believe you mentioned in the email that you sent me, but the four pillars was that on wellness?
Martika Whylly:
Yeah. Yeah. Now, I guess. Did you want to just elaborate on what those are?
Lori Latimer:
So about 10 or 12 years ago, I started on a what I call a personal development or personal discovery I'm sorry, personal discovery path. And I had just gotten divorced. I had left my marriage and I needed it was not my first divorce. And so I needed to figure out who I was. When you strip away all the labels of wife and mother and daughter and paralegal, because I'd been a paralegal all my life, all these labels that society and I had put on myself, who was I at my core, and so I started on this personal discovery path, which then turned into a spiritual path.Along the way, I.
Lori Latimer:
Through different things I was learning and different courses I was taking and just then just through my own personal experiences, shifted a lot of things in my life. So I stopped eating processed foods, I stopped eating refined sugar. And these were personal choices. Whatever anyone wants to choose for themselves is totally up to them. But I knew that for me, I needed to basically become a Clear Channel and get rid of a lot of the things that I had put on myself. And there were emotional things as well and mental things, you know, the inner critic type things, saying that I wasn't good enough or that I was a failure or whatever the the thought of the day was. And so I created what I called the four pillars of wellness. And the first one is the physical. So it's about getting your physical body in harmony. I don't necessarily like the word balance because balance implies equality. And I think it's more about being in harmony because there are times where you need to be in more of one space than another. So there's the physical, which is about moving your body. It's about the way you feed your body and nourish your body and take care of your physical body. Then there's the mental pillar, which is about the thoughts that you tell yourself on a regular basis. And again, the inner critic thoughts and the oh, my God, you look awful today. Or what is wrong with you? Why did you do that? Why did you say such a stupid thing? All those kind of things.
Lori Latimer:
The third thing is the third pillar is the emotional pillar. And that's all about your feelings and getting in touch with how do I feel in any given moment in time. I realized because I've worked in corporate America, in the legal field all my life, and there's a lot of masculine energy in the corporate world to become successful. And I've had a very successful career. We have become what I refer to as a head on a stick, we are totally disconnected from our neck down and our feelings live inside of our body, but we're all up in our thoughts. Oh, what do I need to do today? What do I need to do to get this job promotion? It's all about the doing, doing, doing, which is about our thoughts. And so getting back in touch with our emotions and creating a space for those emotions to be expressed in a healthy way, to be recognized, to be acknowledged. And then the fourth pillar is the the spiritual, which is all about your connection to the divine, to God, to the universe, whatever label you wish to put on it, whatever you whatever you call it. And so those were my four pillars of wellness that I created, probably. I would say in two thousand and fifteen or sixteen, it was after my mom had passed away.
Martika Whylly:
Ok, so if somebody is kind of stuck in in grief, I know I am I know myself and others have been maybe stuck in that grief. What would you recommend as I mean, I guess you already said just, you know, maybe professional help or maybe a loved one tell you to get up and take a shower. But what are the things that you can can you do that would help kind of overcome that?
Martika Whylly:
That feeling of I don't want to be here anymore, like I don't want to live and I want to participate and even eating or cleaning up after myself.
Lori Latimer:
You know, that's such a great question and. One of the things that is the easiest and also the most difficult is to move your body, because when we get stuck in grief, we don't want to move. That's why it's so easy to hide out at home. Just stay home to not participate in life. So literally getting up and brushing your teeth, taking a shower and moving your body. And then the thing one of the things that really helped me was to start dancing all by myself. Whether it was to spiritual type music, soft, more feminine type music, so it was slower and flowing music, or if I'm angry, to just put on some really loud. Rock music, I'm not into rap or heavy metal or any of that, so for me, it's it's rock and roll and just dance because that will shift your vibration, it'll shift your energetic state and it'll move those emotions. And so. Like I said, it's the easiest thing to do. It sounds so simple, but it can also be the most difficult because it can often just be easier to think, oh, I'll do that tomorrow. I don't feel like doing that now. And so there have been times where I have literally had to make myself get up and brush my teeth or take a shower.
Lori Latimer:
Fortunately, another another really good thing is having a dog. I have a little dog and I live in a an apartment condominium type home. I don't have a backyard. I can't just open the door and let the dog out to go to the bathroom. I have to walk the dog. So whether and I live in Atlanta, so we do get some. We do get some winter weather here, so we can it can snow here and it can ice. I don't care what the weather is, I don't care how I if I'm sick, if I'm in the midst of a grief attack, I still have to get out and walk that dog. And so and I know a lot of people are cat lovers. I'm allergic to cats, but dog, like I say, with a dog, you have to take that dog out for a walk so we can go to the bathroom. So anything like that, they get you out of your. Stuck space is going to help increase and shift your vibration, and that's what you want to do.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah, and that that would help. I I'm glad you mentioned music, because when my mom passed when I was 15 years old, I, I was already into music, you know, as a teenager.
Martika Whylly:
And I remember Madonna was really popular back then, listening to borderline. And I'm singing this borderline song and I'm crying, just bawling and then just singing loud and I'm crying. And and I didn't realize at the time that that was helping.
Martika Whylly:
But and ever since then, music, there are certain songs that resonate with me that I would listen to during that dark time, like you were saying, the type of music that you listen to kind of matches your emotion. Yeah.
Lori Latimer:
You know, and I'll tell you something else, too. My son passed away a little while 19 months ago. It was January of twenty nineteen. I put together a playlist on my phone of songs that remind me of him, honor him, make me think of him. At first it was done to use at his celebration of life. But now if I feel like I'm holding in my emotions, if I know I need to cry, but for some reason I haven't been able to release it. So it's stuck. I'll put that playlist on. And like you were saying when you were listening to Borderline, the tears just come and guaranteed. I can I can have a huge purge, a huge release if I play those songs and something will shift in me and that release will come and it gets all of that emotion unstuck. So I'm glad you I'm glad that you connected that and and realize that.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah, there was another song. It was by Depeche Mode called Blasphemous Rumours. And the chorus was, I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but I think that God's got a sixth sense of humor. And when I die, I expect to find him laughing.
Martika Whylly:
And I used to dedicate that to the universe every single time. I'm like, This one's for you. Oh, because I had asked the spirit. I prayed for my, you know, my mom and myself because we were being abused by my stepfather and I needed we needed an out.
Martika Whylly:
And that was her out was you know, that was the only out she could see at that point. So that to me that was like an unanswered prayer. But it was done in a weird way, like I didn't understand at 15, I was sure. Yeah, kind of like, OK, what what's you know, what's the meaning of this? This is a sick joke, right? So. Yeah.
Lori Latimer:
Yeah, yeah. But music can be so healing in so many ways. And if you put on some music that so some of the songs on my playlist and I can't even think of of them off the top of my head right now, but some of them are happy songs that make me think of happy memories with my son and the tears will still come. But again, it raises my vibration because I'm thinking about good times and happy things. And, you know, I think one of the reasons that we get stuck and again, there's no judgment in this, no shame in this. It is this is all part of the human experience, but. And I think this might be more so when we lose a child than because I've lost both of my parents, I've been through divorce. But losing a child is a whole different level, a whole different type of grief. It's almost as if we want to punish ourselves, as if we don't deserve to be here because we weren't able to save our child. And so the more we can punish ourselves. It's it's a twisted type of thinking, but I've I have felt it, I've experienced it and I've talked to a lot of moms who have also felt that way. It's like, well, I couldn't save my child, so I don't deserve to be here. And so there are different ways that that can play out.
Lori Latimer:
I remember my son died in January and I remember a few days later being really cold because it was cold outside. And I thought, well, I deserve to be cold because my son is gone. I mean, there's no logic in that. But that's the kind of thing that we do to ourselves as a way of punishing ourselves and staying stuck in the grief is another way that we punish ourselves and. I know without a shadow of a doubt that my son does not want me to punish myself or to stay stuck in my grief, because if I did that, that would not be the mom that he knew and loved. I know that he understands when I go into. The there are ebbs and flows, of course, ups and downs, and when I go down into the pit of grief and I still do and I probably will the rest of my life. I know he understands that that's part of the human experience, but I also will come back out of it again. And so it's a matter of allowing the ebbs and flows and not allowing myself to get stuck in either one, because there can also be and this is really an interesting concept. Have you heard of the concept of spiritual bypassing?
Martika Whylly:
No.
Lori Latimer:
OK, so I first heard of this probably eight or nine years ago, and it's where you're having some type of a human experience.
Lori Latimer:
And instead of being in that experience, you you automatically shift into what's the spiritual reason for this? And you don't allow yourself to have the human experience of it? Well, if I try to with my son's passing, I think, well, there must be a reason why he passed away before I did or well, everything happens for a reason. I've learned that so many of those cliches that I used to believe don't hold up in some situations and child loss is one of them. And so. If I, connecting this back to what I was talking about, not staying in either the the highs or the lows, there are some people who will do a spiritual bypass around their grief and they're happy all the time. They don't want to experience the very real human emotions, the lower level emotions of grief. And so they shove them aside and they stay on the high. What that does is those emotions are still within them. They're just not recognizing them. And what happens is when we hold on to those emotions. And they get stuck, they will eventually manifest either in emotional breakdowns, mental health issues or physical issues, so many physical issues are the result of stuffed emotions and emotions are energy in motion, which is why movement is so critical to shifting those emotions, because it gets your emotions moving and it lets you feel the whole range of emotions.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah.
Martika Whylly:
Yes, good point with the wanting to not feel the lower or negative emotions and then it just because,
Lori Latimer:
You know, as humans we put labels on things and we label things like depression and anxiety and sadness and anger as bad. Well, they're just emotions, their energy and emotion. And if we can allow them to move, then they're not bad or good. They simply are. And then we can simply be with whatever they are in any given moment in time. Let them have their time and space. Let them then move on and let the next one come in.
Martika Whylly:
Yes. Yeah, like, I like that.That's pretty good.
Lori Latimer:
Plus, I often found myself crying and releasing naturally. Yeah, I really enjoy yoga for movement.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah, I started doing a bit of it, I started doing more exercising in the and I do find that it helps mentally as well as physically, for whatever reason. I just feel better about myself because I feel physically better, like, oh, that was a good workout and I don't feel to stiff because it had some stretches before and after and and. Yeah, just more energy. Yeah.
Lori Latimer:
Well, and yoga helps support all four of those pillars of wellness that I was talking about. It helps on a physical level, a mental, emotional and spiritual level. And so you're able to enhance all four pillars with one activity.
Martika Whylly:
And especially if you do it with some music in the background.
Lori Latimer:
Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah. Now, as far as I wanted to touch a little bit about past lives, you mentioned a bit of past lives. Do. Now, did you always believe in past lives, is that something that you kind of stumbled upon or you were interested in? So you read about it or you experienced something?
Lori Latimer:
I really I was curious about it most of my life, I don't remember when I started being curious about it, but as I said, I had started on this personal and spiritual development path. And then when my mom passed away in 2014, I felt like there were a lot of. A lot of conversations we didn't have that I wish we would have had a lot of things were left unresolved between us. And so I started studying the afterlife, and that's when I started studying about past lives. And I read a lot of books. I took a lot of courses or listen to a lot of audios, I should say. And then I started studying the Akashic records in the Akashic records are. I like to describe it as a big spiritual library and everybody has a book in this library and each person's book contains the story from all of their past lives. So when I work with clients, I can go into their spiritual book of their past lives and I can find different experiences that they've had that have created blocks and restrictions that they that we carry with us from lifetime to lifetime. How this plays out in grief is.
Lori Latimer:
When we carry with us. Experiences that caused us deep amounts of grief in past lives.
Lori Latimer:
We add layer upon layer upon layer of grief that we carry with us, so by the time we're here in this life, so I'll use myself as an example. When my son passed away, I was carrying with me layers of grief from previous lifetimes and then different experiences of grief in this lifetime. So my divorces, my father's passing when I was thirty three, my mother's passing when I was fifty four, and then my son's passing. So you put all those layers on top of each other and we are carrying around so much grief, not just from this lifetime but also from previous lifetimes. So when I work with clients, I help them release some of those layers from this lifetime. And then we do go back into past lifetimes and try to help release some of those layers as well so that they can breathe a little bit deeper again without all that weight of all those all those different experiences of grief on them.
Martika Whylly:
Mm hmm. Yeah, I I've read a little bit about past lives and I find it fascinating. I wanted to know what my last three were prior to this one so I could figure out what I'm doing here. Maybe that would be an indication. But so far I believe I was Claude Bristol, author of The Magic of Believing only because there are a lot of similarities in his writing and what he did and in my life. Then, of course, there was an experience that he had that was almost parallel to mine now and what the kicker was. I didn't I write I write about the mirror technique in my book, having fun with God, and I got rid of an allergy to cats when I was a little girl. I was an only child. I asked my mom for a brother. Sister. She said, no question. I asked for a puppy or kitten to play with. She said no. And one day, actually, you know, one of my friends had a cat and she couldn't keep because she was allergic and we needed to find a new home for this kitten. I thought, oh, I'm pretty sure if my mom sees this little kitten, that's really nice to let me keep him. And of course, you know, there was me with five other kids in the background and me holding this kitten. And I saw it in her hand and she says, OK, and but after a few weeks, she noticed us sneezing a lot.
Martika Whylly:
And she says, I think that might be because of the cat. We might have to you know, we'll have to get you tested for allergies. And sure enough. I was tested for allergies and. On the car ride home, she says we might have to give Mickey away the name of the cat, and I said, if I stop sneezing, can we keep them? And she said, we'll see. So I was like, there's no way I'm losing this cat, and as soon as we got home, I went into my my room. I stared at myself in the mirror and I said, I'm not allergic to cats at least 10 times. I'm not allergic to cats. I'm not allergic to cats until I convinced myself. And, you know, I stop sneezing after that, that I've never had that issue. I have three cats now. And they shed quite a bit, I don't have allergies anymore. But how did I know about that mirror technique? It wasn't until after I wrote the book that I question that I'm like, OK, no one taught it to me. Reading the book didn't see it on TV or the movie didn't dream about it. No one else in my family taught me. It wasn't until I reread the book Magic of Believing. And in the table of Contents, there's a chapter called The Mirror Technique Unlocking the Subconscious.
Martika Whylly:
And I thought, OK, I must have got it from this book, but I thought to myself, wait a minute, I didn't read this book till I was in my late 20s. I was when I was 10 years old when I got rid of my allergies technique. So that's when it dawned on me months, maybe years later, that I might have been Claude Bristol.
Lori Latimer:
Interesting.
Martika Whylly:
I never thought I could be a man. But, you know, this is just the physical. You know, we've been every, according to some mystics, spiritualists, we've been every family member. We have been killed and been killed. And we've pretty much done it all.
Lori Latimer:
Every race, we've been every every gender, we've been every every everything, like I say, every member. Yes.
Martika Whylly:
So but I you know, and of course, I grew up in a in a religion Catholic that doesn't believe or agree with the past life.
Lori Latimer:
So did I.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah. Yeah. OK, so and you know what, even as a child I thought, well if reincarnation doesn't exist, why are we talking about it?
Martika Whylly:
All thoughts are correct, it has to exist, otherwise there wouldn't even be a thought. So, yeah, I started to study a little bit more. I think I know two of my past lives, but I don't know what the third one is. But I mean, that's neither here nor there. I mean, if I happen to kind of get a notion, you know, sometimes when you meditate or you dream and the answer comes if you really want to know.
Lori Latimer:
I think another thing, too, is that there's this universal consciousness and so. What we may either create or think we may pick up on from universal consciousness if we're tapped into that realm and as children were very open to universal consciousness, so fascinating.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah, it is fascinating. So it's amazing what you learn about yourself when you write.
Martika Whylly:
About yourself or when you're moving things around.
Lori Latimer:
You know, there's something else to not only, you know, we not only carry with us our own past life experiences, but through our DNA we carry. The experiences of our ancestors and so genealogical experiences from our mother's side and our father's side, so we're carrying so much with us from the past, our past and our ancestors pasts. And if you stop and think about it. You know, we don't live today in a society where we are fighting for our very physical lives every day like we did in previous lives, I mean, centuries ago, people lost children all the time. Children didn't live past infancy quite frequently. People had to fight other people and the elements and nature for food. And so there was a lot of trauma and grief that we don't experience today, but we're still carrying it with us. So, yeah, there's a lot of layers to it.
Martika Whylly:
So how do you how do you know you have that many layers? How do you. I mean, it can explain why people just kind of explode and erupt and that sort of thing has they have dealt with whatever emotions that are underlying that they didn't even know was there.
Lori Latimer:
When I work with my clients on clearing blocks and restrictions from past lives, it's amazing the way that our souls. They're just they're so brilliant and they know the level of healing that we are ready for. So when I go into one of my readings with a client, we don't clear everything in one session because if you cleared everything in one session, the human body wouldn't be able to process at all. And so whatever's most ready to be released in any given moment in time is what will come up in the reading to be released. And so I have clients come back six months later, a year later, when they feel that they've. That they're ready to release more. I mean, it's it's just it's an amazing process and like I said, our souls are so just inherently wise and they protect us. They protect our physical bodies while we're here, because we would go into a healing crisis if we released everything all at once. You know, it's like when when someone's in a medically induced coma, they don't just bring you out right away because your physical body couldn't withstand it, they kind of have to do it gradually, the same kind of thing.
Martika Whylly:
Ok, well.
Martika Whylly:
And that kind of reminds me of an experience I had after I wrote the book, my memoir, Having Fun with God, I fell asleep for five days.
Lori Latimer:
Wow.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah, at first I thought it was some kind of a bug, because I don't recall this, but the ex-spouse said, oh yeah, you did throw up and then you went to bed and you went to sleep.
Martika Whylly:
And then I kept sleeping.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah, and I I remember him saying we need to go to the doctor, but I couldn't even get out of bed. I just couldn't get enough sleep. And I remember by the fifth day because I was in between jobs. So I did have some time just to relax and get some rest and. But I just drank water, I would wake up, drink some water, go to the bathroom and go back to bed. I couldn't get enough sleep. And then I guess I had to mentally snap myself out of that because I realized, you know, tomorrow is my working day and I'd have to go back to work and. I needed to just snap out of it, and then I went to my closet to try some work clothes to make sure everything's been all right and I must have dropped 15 to 20 pounds because everything was loose. I had to wear a belt around my dress pants and a pair of gray dress pants. So we're really tight on me. We're not loose. And you could see actually my eye sockets, that's how much weight I lost, I must've dropped. Must weigh like one hundred and five pounds from one hundred and thirty. So that that was interesting, I didn't understand what was happening at the time, but given given where I was like it just finished three years of writing all of this past stuff and some of the things that I wrote about and I never discussed with anybody kind of in the vault going to the grave. But it was it was really good therapy. I thought it was a good therapy. And it took me a month to really kind of regain back my appetite. And because food just didn't taste good. In those five days, a half an apple and a half a pear.
Lori Latimer:
Wow.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah.
Martika Whylly:
I just wasn't interested in eating probably what one thing that something that comes to mind about that is you were probably running on a level of adrenaline while you were writing the book, especially in the last phases of it, because you knew you were close to the end. And, you know, when you when you run on that adrenaline and then you come down from it, you crash and your body was probably your body knew that it needed to heal. And so it knew that it needed sleep so that you could heal after that.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah. And lose all that negative negativity or whatever, because I don't know anybody that can sleep for five days and lose that much weight like I've tried ever since.
Lori Latimer:
If you could bottle that and sell it you could be in business.
Martika Whylly:
You can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Martika Whylly:
But I'd have to tell everybody, they'd have to write a book about themselves first.
Lori Latimer:
There you go.
Martika Whylly:
Might not be willing to do that, but yeah that was, that was quite it's funny because I remember watching a show about writers and how they've had the writers withdrawal and I thought, oh, I'm not going to experience that because I've been crying and laughing while I'm writing a lot of emotion. And of course, as the ego. Right. What does ego know. And I think that was a part of my writer's withdrawal. Yes.
Lori Latimer:
Absolutely. Yeah.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah. Is there anything else that you'd like to add with as far as grief in past lives?
Lori Latimer:
I think the biggest thing that I would want people to know is that.
Lori Latimer:
Wherever you are in your grief journey is perfect and there's nothing wrong with you. I know that I mean, I've been very blessed in that no one has said to me. Oh, are you haven't you gotten over that yet or are you still grieving? There's a multitude of things that I've heard other people have experienced being said to them, I haven't had that experience, wherever you are on the path is exactly where you need to be and you don't have to stay in any one space. And hopefully some of the things that we've talked about today will give people some ideas and some inspirations, I put together a whole I call it a sacred, sacred self care guide. It's for grieving mothers, but it's really for anyone in grief. I've had people who've never had children, let alone lost children. Read it. I mean, it's not that you read it. It's just it's it goes through the four pillars. And I give ideas of things you can do to support each pillar. And people have found that really helpful because it's not about doing any one big thing all at once. It's about it's kind of like the old adage of how do you eat an elephant? Will you do it one bite at a time? We take one baby step at a time and you build on it, whether it's what you choose. I encourage people to choose one thing off of one of those lists a week. And whether it's journaling or meditating or listening to music or whatever it is, choose one thing, do that one thing for a week, then choose another thing, do that thing for a week and you just keep adding to it. And after and that's how I changed my lifestyle five or six or seven or however many years ago. It was eight or nine years ago it it wasn't overnight. It wasn't all at once. It was just one small change after another that I look back now at who I was in 2008 when I left that marriage. I don't even recognize that woman anymore. I don't, I don't even know who that was.
Martika Whylly:
Well, now working people reaching out, will you be offering to offer this information on your website?
Lori Latimer:
My Web site is being built, but if anyone wants a copy of that guide, they can go to and you can put this in your show notes. But it's lorilatimer.lpages.co/sscguide for sacred self care guide. I also have a podcast that they can listen to. It's called Grief with Grace for Grieving Moms. Again, I have men listening to that podcast. So it isn't just for grieving moms because grief is universal. I do focus on moms, on grieving moms, because that is my path now and that is my passion. But that's available on all the major podcast players. Apps, I don't know the right lingo, but yeah.
Martika Whylly:
Well, I appreciate you coming and talking with us, Lori. This has been very informative. I learned a lot.
Lori Latimer:
I did as well, thank you so much, this has been a real pleasure and I love what you're doing. This is a conversation that we need more of in our society. And I think, you know, I guess to close that's what I would say, is that I think one of the reasons people get stuck in grief is because it's not talked about. It's not taught. People don't know what to say to someone who's in grief and people don't know how to ask for help. And so the conversations that you're having, the conversations that I'm having having are what will help shift that for people today and hopefully generations to come. So thank so much.
Martika Whylly:
Especially now with the coronavirus taking its toll. And I'm constantly getting a hold of my sisters in Florida and Texas to see, if they're OK, because one minute, OK, the next minute or not.
Martika Whylly:
So they've never heard from me so much. You know, I think they're getting tired of me. Oh, my gosh. Oh, you God, we're OK. We'll call you later. Bye.
Lori Latimer:
But that you know, and there's a level of grief that people are going through because of of coronavirus, because people's lives have come to a stop, even however many months we are into this. Now, at the time of this recording, what we're five months into it.
Martika Whylly:
Yeah.
Lori Latimer:
People aren't living the life that they lived all their lives. And so there's a level of grief. And again, people aren't really talking about it. So you to have a conversation is huge.
Martika Whylly:
And this is why this is one of the reasons why I actually want to do this way before Corona happened. But it was like, OK, now the sign that was before me is this right in front. This is bigger, it seems. And I'm sure you feel the same way, too.Yeah?
Lori Latimer:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Because people need help. And when you know that you have the tools and the message that can help them, it's easy to share it.
Lori Latimer:
So thank you.
Martika Whylly:
And I'm grateful. Thank you so much for sharing your message with us, Lori.
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